In this episode, we chat with Joe Lallouz, the head of Coinbase Cloud and founder of Bison Trails. We cover the history of Bison Trails from early inception to acquisition by Coinbase, as well as broader thoughts on the crypto infrastructure landscape. We also discuss the staking industry's evolution over time, and how Bison Trails' value proposition changed with it. Joe and I also discuss the Crypto M&A experience, the broader infrastructure landscape, and the future innovations in staking he's excited about.